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posted by [personal profile] devilgate at 08:48am on 30/11/2007 under ,

I just heard John Bell of the Iona Community on ‘Thought for the Day’. He was talking, since it’s St Andrew’s day, about the old Scottish saying, or toast, “Here’s tae us, wha’s like us? Damn few, and they’re a’ deid.” That’s, “Here’s to us, who’s like us? Damn few, and they’re all dead,” in case you have trouble with Scots.

Thing is, Bell was bemoaning the attitude he thinks it represents. He thinks it means, “The only people we can emulate are dead.” He thinks it epitomises a ‘national inferiority complex.’

That’s not how I ever understood it.

Rather than looking back wistfully on past glories, to me it was triumphal, celebratory, even arrogant, if you need a negative adjective. It said—it says—“We’re here, and we’re great; there’s no-one like us.”

So happy St Andrew’s day: we rock.


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posted by [identity profile] the-magician.livejournal.com at 10:32am on 30/11/2007
I agree entirely with your interpretation ...

... I read it as

Who has ever been as good as us? Very few, and none of them are alive today.

Meaning that the Scots are the current best people in the world ... I don't know that I'd exclude a few of my non-Scottish friends (or include certain Scottish politicians) but it's a proud boast not an inferiority complex ... unless Bell is starting with one of his own ...!
 
posted by [identity profile] devilgate.livejournal.com at 11:45am on 30/11/2007
Well, not necessarily the Scots, either: something I should have also mentioned is that I understand the "we" generally to refer to the assembled company. Though it could include absent friends, I suppose.
 
posted by [identity profile] rhubarbfool.livejournal.com at 10:44am on 30/11/2007
There was a P.K. Dick book/story where a person's interpretation of various proverbs was used as a sanity test i.e. whether you viewed them in a positive or negative manner meant whether you were OK or got carted off somewhere. I once had a bit of a revelation about the old proverb 'a friend in need is a friend indeed' where my view changed.
 
posted by [identity profile] zoo-music-girl.livejournal.com at 11:12am on 30/11/2007
I agree with you.

Happy St Andrew's Day!
 
posted by [identity profile] zoo-music-girl.livejournal.com at 11:35am on 30/11/2007
Have you seen this one too? I think you can buy tea towels with this on them.

The average Englishman, in his home he calls his castle, puts on his national costume - a shabby raincoat patented by Charles MacIntosh of Glasgow, Scotland.

He drives a car fitted with tires invented by John Boyd Dunlop of Dreghorn, Scotland.

At the office he receives his mail with adhesive stamps which, although they bear the Queen of England’s head, were invented by John Chambers of Dundee, Scotland.

During the day he uses the telephone, invented by Alexander Graham Bell of Edinburgh, Scotland.

At home in the evening he watches his daughter ride her bicycle, invented by Kilpatrick MacMillan, a Blacksmith from Dumfries, Scotland.

He watches the news on television which was invented by John Logie Baird of Helensburough, Scotland and hears an item about the U.S. Navy founded by John Paul Jones of Kirkbean, Scotland.

He has now been reminded too much of Scotland and in desperation picks up the Bible, only to find that the first man mentioned in the good book is a Scot - King James VI - who authorized its translation.

Nowhere can an Englishman turn to escape the ingenuity of the Scots, he could take to drink but the Scots make the finest in the world, he could take a rifle and end it all but the breech-loading rifle was invented by Captain Patrick Ferguson of Pitfours, Scotland.

If he escaped death, he could find himself on an operating table, being injected with Penicillin, discovered by Alexander Flemming of Darvel, Scotland, and given an anesthetic, discovered by Sir James Young Simpson of Bathgate, Scotland.

Coming out of the anesthesia, he would find no comfort in learning that he was as safe as the Bank Of England which was founded by William Patterson of Dumfries, Scotland.

Perhaps his only hope would be to get a transfusion of good SCOTTISH blood.
 
posted by [identity profile] devilgate.livejournal.com at 11:46am on 30/11/2007
Nice. And I didn't know the majority of those.
 
posted by [identity profile] rhubarbfool.livejournal.com at 12:39pm on 30/11/2007
... these
 
posted by [identity profile] devilgate.livejournal.com at 01:24pm on 30/11/2007
You know, I was thinking about McGlashan as Bell's 'Thought' went on; because he described a drunken scot on a 38 bus (curiously, I was on a 38 bus while listening) berating all the other passengers with all of Scotland's inventions. This was more ammunition for his 'worshipping the past' thesis.

Also, did you notice that in that clip, the agent calls him 'Mr McLaughlin' (or one of the many spellings of that name) rather than McGlashan?

I still miss Absolutely.
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posted by [identity profile] akicif.livejournal.com at 04:55pm on 30/11/2007
Not "gey few"?
 
posted by [identity profile] devilgate.livejournal.com at 06:49pm on 30/11/2007
You've got a point: it probably should be. But I've never heard it in that form.

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